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Exam mark pass rate

Discussion in 'Current Medical Students' started by suki, Jan 28, 2004.

  1. suki

    suki New Member

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    I would like to know how exams do you have and whats the pass rate, I know in bham the pass rate is 50 and notts 40 , anyone studying medicine whats your pass rate at the uni you go to
     
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    At Durham it varies. There are six summative exams a year, and I think the pass rate is usually between 60 and 70%, though in this years 1st year formative exam it was about 50%.
     
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    joyabbott Super Moderator

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    Notts is 40% pass rate, but that actually equates to 70% really (to get a 3rd) as exams are negatively marked. Surprising how many people fail too.

    There are now 216 people left in my year (started with around 240ish). Many of these left/ asked to resit because of exam failures.... so 40% sounds easy, but it's not.
     
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    thanks for the reply..when you mean negativley marked do you mean they increase the pass mark to 70 for a 40 % pass rate why do they do that?
     
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    I think that "negatively marked" implies marks are deducted for incorrect answers.

    Don't quote me on this though - I don't personally have any experience of negative marking! Thank God!
     
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    M Clayton Moderator type bloke

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    Negative marking is indeed a system where marks (or a proportion of a whole mark) are deducted for every incorrect answer that the student gives.

    The rational behind imploying negative marking is that a doctor should recognise their limitations and realise that guessing an answer in real life simply isn't going to be good enough and may well cause harm to the patient. In this situation, admitting your ignorance is the preferable solution.
     
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    Does this mean that by leaving an answer blank no marks are deducted? Or do they deduct different amounts depending on whether or not you actually attempted the question?
     
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    I believe that if a paper is negatively marked there will be an option available to state that you do not know the answer, e.g. in a multiple choice paper if you tick the "Don't know" box, you are not going to get a mark, but you can also be sure that you won't loose a mark either.
     
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    In St Andrews we just have the option of leaving a question blank and we don't lose/gain any marks. In anatomy, all the questions are true or false and it's +1 for the right answer, -1 for a negative answer. In Physiology there are multiple choice questions and the amount deducted is proportional to the number of answers available... -1/2 if there were 3 choices, -1/3 if there were four etc. Behavioural Sciences isn't negatively marked since a) it's far too much of a flim-flammy, wishy-washy subject to have definitive rights and wrongs and b) To do so would cause the entire year to fail as no-one cares about the subject and we all guess most of the answers anyway.
     
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    At Notts, generally you get -1 for wrong answer, 0 for no answer, and +1 for correct answer (MCQ's).

    We've had negatively marked written papers too.
     
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    At UEA we are marked via the joy of statistics. All marks are recieved then charted, if you lie in the 95% range you get a pass, if your more than -2 SD out you fail or if your in the top SD you get a distinction. (give me 40% anyday :p)
     
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    M Clayton Moderator type bloke

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    Interesting.

    I wonder what would happen if you all set out to do particularly badly....
     
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    50% at cardiff... no negative marking - well not yet!!!!
     
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    In Cambridge, I think that the passmark depends on how your year does (they can't fail everyone!). I came out of a particularly bad Human Repro exam last year convinced that I had failed (most of my answers were guesses), but somehow managed to pass. Without meaning to make it all sound horrible and competitive, it's not so much how much you know that's important - rather, how much you know in comparison to everyone else.
     
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    At leicester we have to be satisfactory (which is usually deemed to be around 60%, but might be less or more if everybody finds the question v. hard or v.easy) in 70% of the questions. So you can get a high mark overall (eg 70%) but still fail the exam because you were below threshold in more than 30% of the questions.

    Obviously you also have to achieve a satisfactory mark overall (ie 60%). But that alone isn't enough if you fail, say, more than 2 questions out of 6.
     
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    At Southampton we have to get 50% to pass. At any one time, we generally have 2/3 exams so we have to get 50% averaged out over those exams, with no less than 40% in any exam. That's not to say they're easy tho.
     
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    We operate rather an interesting system for passing the year here at Durham.

    Instead of dividing all the work you've done into the topic areas (such as pharmacology, embryology etc) or even into the seperate exams, we're given three grades that assess our work overall.

    The divisions are as follows;

    - What the Doctor is able to do (Doing the right thing)
    - How the Doctor approaches practice (Doing the thing right)
    - The Doctor as a professional

    Everything we do fits into at least one (more often that not, all 3) of those categories. We have to score a grade of at least S in all 3 areas in order to gain a pass for the year.

    The grade system is a fairly simple system of M, S, B & U (where M is merit, S is satisfactory, B is borderline and U is unsatisfactory.) If we obtain a B in one or more of the three components we fail as a borderline student and take a pass/fail viva. If we obtain U in any one of the components we've failed outright and must resit.

    The grade for each of the 3 components depends on our performance in exams and coursework. It is possible to ace the exams and still fail the year!
     
  18. Kev

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    At Leicester we sit an exam for each module, usually a one hour short answer paper. The pass mark is moderated so we never really know what it will be. This year we are taking 13 subject modules. In addition we have OSCE's at the end of the year and an Integreated Medical Sciences Examination which is held in 3 parts over the year and is multiple choice answers (this exam is taken on a PC under exam conditions). Grading is similar to Durham- Excellent, Satisfactory, Barely Satisfactory and Unsuccessful. We are "allowed" one unstaisfactory over the year. Barely Satisfactory is still counted as a pass. If we are unsatisfactory in two or more exams we have to sit a 3 hour paper in the summer called the "Qualifying Exam" which is integrated so covers all subjects again :shock: There is also a practical component to the Qualifying Exam, like a OSCE. Pass the qualifyer and you enter the next year, fail and you have to repeat the year or leave. If you are borderline there is a viva voce exam as well. Attendance is also part of the exam- less than 80% attendance in any module and you do not pass, regardless of the exam mark you achieve. There has been no negative marking so far.
     
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    Also forgot to say, at the end of the year we have a 'fitness to practice' board with reports submitted by our PBL tutor and primary + secondary tutors. We have to pass this board each and every year!

    Did my OSCEs on friday, comical, the women in my BP didn't have a pulse and the urinalysis station i only got 1 glove on. Still i hope i passed, as i'm currently sitting in the NNUH on nightshift and have done all the OBs/Sats/Temps/BM/Tested peeeeeeee :D
     
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    Georges Hospital Medical School (ahem...)

    PASS MARKS -
    AT St. Georges the pass mark in the first two years is 60%, with negative marking for a proportion of the paper.
    That proportion is actually not too hard to deal with....I manged to pass that part..... only just! I believe Georges have one of the harder medical exams in the country, but its passable with solid commitment.
    The practical parts of the exams are straightforward - called OSCES - you merely have to follow set procedures in a clinical format - doing things like locating the apex of the heart, taking blood pressure and doing basic rectal examinations (on a dummy, btw ..ahem:roll: ). I got near full marks on em...though they sadly comprise only a little part of the years marks.
    The essay paper may surprise students if they have been out of school for some time. I personally could not finish the required 4 (long) essays in an hour and a half, but then I hadnt hardly picked up a pen in twelve years, so thats perhaps expected? (i'm 31, btw! :shock: But I can manage essays now, thanks...:) I've had some practice now!)

    RESITS -
    Up till 2002 Georges were happy to let anyone resit the year if they failed, but you may be interested to note that they will ignore this rule if they cant afford to let people resit...like when they handed out too many offers to new applicants in 2002 (after the A level remark scandal, remember?)..... after which George's had to hastily scrap their resit rules for that year or face a costly overenrolment! :roll: So dont count on what they tell you!
     

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