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arent there any otolaryngologists??

Discussion in 'Otolaryngology' started by H_L_ctf, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. H_L_ctf

    H_L_ctf New Member

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    hi everyone!!
    i havent seen any otolaryngologists or students who study in this speciality here:( my target is to study this speciality and i'd like to hear some advice...what r the advantages and disadvantages??could anyone tell about ENT??
     
  2. Hal100

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    hi mate
    I too am looking into surgical specialties and ENT looks appealing.
    Are you qualified or still at med school?
    I've just finished my first year of med school and am on the long summer holidays now!!
     
  3. H_L_ctf

    H_L_ctf New Member

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    hi!
    im pleased to see u:) i finished my 2d year and now its holiday time for me too..
    i looked for the speacialists for ENT but there r still no answers:(
    have a nice holiday ...:)
     
  4. James

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    ENT is a great specialty. It is interesting, with a good mix of medicine and surgery. You also get to play with very cool expensive gadgets when operating. On-calls are generally light compared to other surgical specialties, but when you are needed (think the nosebleed scene from Cardiac Arrest) you are THE MAN! There is also decent private practice and it is fairly woman/family friendly.

    There is one main downside, that is essentially all the points I have made above. ENT is the most competitive surgical specialty in the states and becoming so in the UK. To get in you will have to be super committed and prepared to put up with a lot of crap before you get there.
     
  5. H_L_ctf

    H_L_ctf New Member

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    really thanx for the informations and recommendations:)
    ENT is great!...i think so..
     
  6. Hal100

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    The ability to combine medicine with surgery is really appealing I reckon.

    Although, knowing a lot of people who say ENT is all about wax, snot and mucus, I'm surprised at its popularity lol

    Watched a parotidectomy in theartre one time..that's the only ENT procedure I've seen...really cool how the guy managed to salvage the facial nerve n stuff
     
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    James..you graduated or still at med school?
    Done much ENT experience? I've done none! I am still only a 2nd year though i guess though...
    Are you considering ENT?
     
  8. James

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    I'm a registrar in another specialty, I trained down the medical route, so ENT was never an option. I have a number of friends trying to get into or recently appointed in ENT. From everything they have told me it would definitely be my choice if I was surgically inclined (which I am not!)
     
  9. Randolf_Rolm1919

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    James do you mind me asking what medical speciality you're in. Also due to the fact I saw your post in other specialty areas in this forum do you know how family friendly (in terms of little on-calls, time to have a persona life) and job availability pathology (Histopathology in particular), General Practice, General Surgery and Anesthetics all have?

    I'd like to know the years of training required too, if possible.

    Many thanks :)
     
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    I passed my finals recently, and everything I have done to date in medical school...and I mean everything, has been ENT related. All my special study components were on ENT subjects, and so was my recent 12 week project option, which I am hoping to get published and presented nationally. ENT is brilliant as pointed out. There are some boring areas (otology) and some very interesting areas (skull based neurosurgery i.e. pituitary and acoustic neuroma surgery). It is for this reason, as well as a mix of paeds and general medicine that I have decided this is the career path I want to take. I have worked in ENT as a scientist, and also have a BSc and MSc in medical imaging...and even then....I am not a sufficiently stand out candidate. Let's put it this way...last year there were 3 posts in the west midlands, with 100 applicants, which made it more competitive than neurosurgery and plastics. For this reason, I have been told publications play a key role..so my F1 and F2 posts are in academic medicine..to allow me to be able to get 2-3 publications during a 3 month rotation (normally difficult to do in your spare time as a normal F1). I have spoken to a few surgeons and they think that the best thing to do is do the MRCS pt 1 in F1 and pt 2 in F2 (yes I know it sounds like alot...but it's about standing out from the rest). I have also been advised to do the DOHNS exam in F2 too. Right now, you;re early into your medical career, but i you do get into theatres, and assist...make a note of all the procedures so you can validate it at an interview stage...experience is everything.
     
  11. Creative Source

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    Orl-hns

    I'm a ST5 (from August) in ORL and cannot recommend this field enough to anyone with an inclination for surgery with an interest in Head & Neck pathology. Indeed, if i could not get into ORL, I was considering leavig medicine entirely. We need keen and enthusiastic people in the field to fight to make it a strong surgical speciality like it is in the US.

    CS
     
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    Hi,
    could you please explain, what does it involve? is it really competitive?How long it takes after F2?
    Thanks and good luck with it.
     
  13. Creative Source

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    Hi there

    well, it is competitive. But anyone who really wants to do and goes for it will eventually get in. From F2 you have to get onto core training (ST1 to ST2), which ideally should have some ORL in it and preferentially some plastics or neurosurgery. During that time, you should get your MRCS -DOHNS, have a national (like RSM) or international presentation, complete and audit, publish a case report and another paper, and be able to do a tonsillectomy, a grommet and adenoidectomy. In addition, enrol on a temporal bone course, a small managment course, a teach the trainer course and possibly a FESS course if you can squeeze it in.

    This sounds like a lot and in the past we had more time to sort it all out. It will take meticulous organisation. One option would be to do an additional year doing something like a MSc to give you time to get it all done ( papers take time to get published). The other option that some are doing are MDs while doing some clinical stuff on the side to earn a little salary and say you are not completley away from patient contact. Once you get a St3 number then they won;t hassle a StR for research once they have an MD. This strategy is not for all as a MD is a big undertaking. Hope this helps.

    CS
     
  14. Frank E

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    There are ENT specialists in the UK. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
     
  15. Trauma

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    not to forget too many mastoid cavities and wax cleaning.
    balance patients with vague histories..
    90% of patients are elderly with SNHL for hearing aids or childern with chronic otitis media for grommets and adenoidectomy.

    seriously watching a grommet being put one day was so pathetic i think they may train nurses to do it one day!
     
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    i shadowed an otolaryngologist today, he was a bit of a d**k
     
  17. dudey

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    ORL FTW ;)

    Creative source, I am a 5th year medical student, and hope (fingers crossed) to have one ORL audit and publication done before graduating. Will that put me in good stead to get into ENT CT1? Or is there anything else in particular I need to do?

    Also, in STFS there are only 9 posts with ENT as a rotation...and obviously that lowers the probability of getting one of these posts. Will this disadvantage me if I have no ENT experience by the time I apply for CT1?

    One of the doctors, laughed at me when I was in the 3rd year and said I wanted to do ORL..as if to say, "yeah good luck with that". Is it really that hard to get into? Or do you stand a good chance if you put your mind to it?

    Cheers
     

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