Abstract Reasoning, not to be taken into account!!!

Dr Noodle

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:D

It can be interesting yeah. I think in the same sense as medicine when you get down to the nitty gritty of what happens to one person and the response to it; it's the same thing, just in one the medium of change and effect is the word and paper and sentence and the other it is biology and chemistry and the human body.

I like the second part of your post. I wonder if it's entirely true though :p No need to be modest on here, don't ruin the brilliant medics' reputation for arrogance now. You're a very very clever woman and if someone makes you go boing i doubt many people at all could still be whirring.

You should hear me when i stop for a moment, look at whats going on and 5 minutes later with no movement or conscious through in between....."brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr scccchhhkkkkkscrccc......tck".

Kinda like now with 5 a levels, one of which i havent been to a single lesson for, and mocks for all of em in the next month/two

XD
Five?? You're a glutton for pain aren't ya! Hmmm you sound like the car in the muppet movie (I'm watching that right now). Don't think it's true for everyone but watch this space I could become arrogant in med school...:p
 

Dr Noodle

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Good lord. I was just looking at the content for A2 maths. Maybe I only saw a part of it but it seems you guys have exactly the same material as we do and yet ours is supposedly only worth two-thirds of it.
 

Singh.Simran

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Good lord. I was just looking at the content for A2 maths. Maybe I only saw a part of it but it seems you guys have exactly the same material as we do and yet ours is supposedly only worth two-thirds of it.
Almost certainly true.

Our government loves As!!

Also, i dunno which A2 you're looking at but a lot recently or in the near future (ie the current 5 year period) have changed from 3 to 2 modules. In theory the same amount of work in less, in reality 2/3 the work.

Science is doing it for a lot of subjects/exam boards...OCR law did last year. So could be an explanation, perhaps.
 

Singh.Simran

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Huh. 80% above is an A right? I want my A! I got between 80 and 85% which is a B1 here.
Yup, typically.

And that's 80% of the UMS, which is not necessarily a very good correlation to raw marks (i think in most cases it shifts up a bit, not necessarily though...)
 

InFairVerena

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The scoring system for A levels. 300 is full marks in a AS, 600 in an A2. 80% is an A, 70% a B etc.
But the percentage of raw marks may not correspond with the same percentages.
For example, in coursework, the number of raw marks needed is ALOT higher than the percentage of UMS then give - because everyone gets high raw marks!
 

Dr Noodle

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Ah okay, thank you :) So are you guys continually assessed rather than having a big exam at the end of the two years?
 

Singh.Simran

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It can vary completely by exam board but typically you have 2 or 3 modules per year (the 1st year making the As and 2nd the A2, together the A-level proper)...

They're usually taken either all in june or some in january some in june...

UMS is a system of marking which means that whatever the raw marks add up to, all subjects are out of 300 (although law was out of 200...so im not sure how it all works...) and so directly comparable. Also it contains algorithms for how hard that year was supposed to be compared to other years - so they're comparable. It also standardises say a module with one unit 100 marks and 50% and another 90 and 50%...

There's other reasons and complications but off the top of my head i cant remember them.

However to convert from the raw scale to the ums scale and keep general abcdeu or whatever it is grade boundaries etc correct the slope of the graph can't go from 0-100% of 300 in the same way as it does from 0-100% of x (x being the raw mark)...so they make it that abcde plus a little bit and minus a little bit (called grade "n") follow the right slope then the graph just cannae take it other than that.

So anything above a+n is 100% and anything below e-n is U.

But what it does mean is that to convert 0-100 (say)
 

Dr Noodle

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They made that complicated. And it's strange that they take how hard a paper is into account. Here, if it was harder than the year before, tough. No exception. So you don't have one standard nationwide exam board? Is everyone tested regionally and on different dates or are the exams on the same day, with the same papers, for everyone across the country?
 

Singh.Simran

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It became a privatised system (i beleive it was nationwide before but no longer) so we have a few - OCR (oxford, cambridge, and rsa..with others - but all part of UCLES. Apparantly Cammy makes a lot from exams), Edexcel, AQA, WJEC are the biggies i think.

I did all OCR which made results certs and exam timetables nice and easy.

Test dates etc depend entirely on board, but all in the same rough time, and its the same test if its done at the same time and for the same board. If you have conflicts (over 6hrs testing in a day, or two at the same time) one board waits, you have to be supervised overnight by a teacher etc then you take it the next day. Or so it works at my school..
 

Singh.Simran

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Interesting...did some wikipediaring (how sad am i).

Apparantly i lied and cambridge assessment/UCLES is not for profit. And Edexcel is for profit, but was formed from the University of London's exam boards (they HAD one??)..WJEC is welsh, hence it means naff all to me...

And guess who is now the 100% stakeholder in Edexcel Limited, ever since the foundation the unis set to run it sold off 75 then the remaining part of it?

The notorious Pearson.

That brings us back on topic very nicely :D
 

Dr Noodle

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I'm gonna deviate again, sorry :p I find all this really weird especially the whole teacher supervising you over night thing. What's the max of hours you spend in an exam each day? Could the tests from each different exam board be of varying difficulty? Oh and could you have different exams from different boards or does it depend on where you go to school?

I guess I'm even sadder. None of this is relevant to me, I'm just curious :)
 

Argh!

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Interesting...did some wikipediaring (how sad am i).

Apparantly i lied and cambridge assessment/UCLES is not for profit. And Edexcel is for profit, but was formed from the University of London's exam boards (they HAD one??)..WJEC is welsh, hence it means naff all to me...

And guess who is now the 100% stakeholder in Edexcel Limited, ever since the foundation the unis set to run it sold off 75 then the remaining part of it?

The notorious Pearson.

That brings us back on topic very nicely :D

That is quite interesting, because my MSc is basically handed out by University of London's exam board (even though it was at LSHTM), and they were so slow at confirming our grades, that they refused me a transcript, two months after I had finished my course and then refused to provide me with a letter saying they wouldn't give me a transcript. Which meant I had to send a covering letter on my Oxford application saying "I know you have requested a transcript but tough luck". It seems anything with even a vague connection to Pearson seems touched with the clammy hand of crappiness.
 

Dr Noodle

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It's scary to think of something like that being commercialised. Whatever about an aptitude test but actual school/university exam results...:confused:
 

Singh.Simran

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I'm gonna deviate again, sorry :p I find all this really weird especially the whole teacher supervising you over night thing. What's the max of hours you spend in an exam each day? Could the tests from each different exam board be of varying difficulty? Oh and could you have different exams from different boards or does it depend on where you go to school?

I guess I'm even sadder. None of this is relevant to me, I'm just curious :)
Well i dont know, this is what im told...someone else said they were allowed to go home as long as their parents certified they wouldnt cheat, sounds fishy to me. I know for sure there's been supervision over lunchtimes etc to move a morning clash to the afternoon.

6 maximum - 3 in the morning session, 3 in the afternoon. If ones 4 and one 0 or 2 theyll move some of the 4 along rather than anything more hassley.

Yup, whats more the courses for each are known to vary in content/difficulty. Our teachers pick so we get good knowledge but this often means other people's As are for less work than ours :|

You can have exams from any board, but really it depends on what you're offered by the institution where you take them. My school does all sorts, its just the coincidence of my subjects that made me all OCR. Course if you're doing it outside of school and just using them for the exam centre usually theyll be registered with all boards so even if one they dont normally use they can have it for you (i do law outside, but that was OCR too..)

You do have to pay for invigilation though, if its not an in-school exam. pretty cheap.
 
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